Talk:Vietnamese/@comment-134.2.67.177-20161220094838/@comment-127769-20170310015843

seems that these guys are basing that judgement on one single issue : the unique units. and  this kind of judgement in civilizations performance are incomplete and very biass, players must have in mind all bonuses, the tech tree and the unique techologies to correctly understand how a civilization works and how they can counter an attack from other civiliations. Well I can say that Britons Mayans, Ethiopians, Chinese and other archer civs still have economic bonuses ( that Vietnamese lack)  and alternative strategies. lets take the example of the britons, they gather from sheep faster than other civs ( which means they can reach feudal age earlier than the vietnamese and pull over an early archer rush thanks also to the briton team bonus). in mayans case they have acces to the eagle warrior that are very effective against archers and deal melee damage, ( rattan archers lack melee armor and is no secret that skirmishers even the imperial one have minimum range) also their economic bonus and the discount on archers makes a mayan archer rush more viable and faster than a vietnamese rush which is slower. in the chinese case they have a pretty open tech tree and cheaper technologies, also their start up bonuses enables them to  reach feudal age much earlier than the vietnamese, chinese may struggle against vietnamese in imperial age but even so they can respond against rattan archers and imperial skirmishers with camels ( that will also counter the vietnamese battle elephants). in ethiopians case the still have their amazing pikemen rush yes skirmishers can counter pikemen but a combination of pikemen and skirmishers early on game can prove devastating against a vietnamese player since the ethiopian aging bonus ( +100 food and gold per each age) allows to jump to castle age easily.