Talk:Italians/@comment-24900905-20150816233103/@comment-127769-20150817005449

you just sound like a noob. All i can say is that you are ignoring their discount on gunpowder, and the fact that cavalry regularly are good against archers ( except if that archer is the Genoese Crossbowmen). Man how can i explain t you that the condottiero has a bonus defense against all anti infantry units making it also resistant against normal infantry counter units, so they can also be useful against Jaguar Warriors, Cataphracts, Plumed Archers and Slingers.