Talk:Tatars/@comment-2003:DB:F709:7FC8:59B8:B7A7:1D0:A1B6-20191122140948/@comment-2003:DB:F709:7F32:356C:59B3:8C5:4B7C-20191220153034

For what it's worth:

etymonline refers [for the etymology of "Mongol[ian]" to a word "mong" meaning "brave".

So the [original] Tatars, up until their great contest, referred to themselves as such ("Tatars"); and it was only after that, that the rulers instructed their royal historians (revisionist history for the win!), to be called "Mongols" (literally: "the brave", if etymonline is right) instead. Basically, a tyrannical horde of Murderous raiders and rapists (like Muhammads bunch) conquering half the world, suddenly feeling above their traditional etonym ("Tatars"), calling themselves "THE brave" instead, as if no other people ever had a claim to be directly reffered to as "bravery itself". Ways of the megalomaniac! - basically: [group] narcissism in a nutshell!

​​​What does that remind me of? Oh, that's right: "The land of the free and the home of THE brave...."

(at the same time their original etonym ("Tatar") lifed on with peoples that got swept up in the Horde (compare that to the huns, many centuries prior, also soaking up other peoples on their campaigns); the same name they once "introduced" themselves (the so called "Mongols" that is) as on their first campaign westwards, and were remembered as such by europeans all throughout the medievals and beyond; the same name that the self-acclaimed mongolians always were associated with in much older chinese sources. Those turk peoples calling themselves "Tatars" thus seems a bit like "Romanians" calling themselves after the Romans.)