Talk:Tatars/@comment-43356519-20191109150122/@comment-2003:DB:F709:7F0F:8D1A:B396:229:59FD-20191121153850

that video linked above is very .. off.

In truth "Tartar" may stem (passed on via Persian and Medieval Latin) from a name ("tata") the mongols had for themselves, which was then extrapolized to be used for pretty much any Steppe People europeans encountered (compare names like "saracens", "indians" (NA), etc.; as a western word it had a history of it's own); while the "Tatars" of later times rather coincide with turkic peoples which populated the areas associated with the Golden Horde. Maybe, as "Nanomat" claimed, the AoE-Tatars much rather represent the timurids (like he said: persianized Mongols); similarly to how the "Indians" (in game) should better be called "Moguls" (if that sounds similarly to "Mongols" -- well: that's no coincidence).

During the european medievals, the Term ("Tartar" (with an added "r") like "tartaros" (latin name for "hell")) was not only the common name given to the Mongols (!), but pretty much all steppe-people, including "Tatars", Turk peoples, and maybe those mythical "Cumans" or "Kipchaks" as well, that europeans may have come into [hostile?] contact with.

Compare this for my etymological claim: https://www.etymonline.com/word/Tartar#etymonline_v_441

It would help to get a grip of what "Tata" and "Mongol" may "mean" to the people in question within their language at the time (maybe a self-engrandizing term, that became popular with the conquests? - after all the term seems to be made mandatory (no earlier than 1250) by historians writing for the imperial families/Khans; i.e. "official sources", aka state sponsored history). Sometimes self-descriptions (Etonyms) change as self-awareness shifts. Romanians, for instance, derived their name from the Romans, the british -despite being of mostly Anglo-Saxon (Anglo -> "english") origin ("English" is a "Germanic" language!)- describing themselves as -well- "British" (compare Bretogne (France) and "Britannia" (lat.)), the Normandy/Normans from "Norsemen" (Wilhelm the Conquerer, for instance, was of Viking-descent (see King Rollo)), etc. pp.

btw.: the maker of the video linked by the other fandom user above, made a second video, clearing up errors of his: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK86_enw5pU That one made a lot more sense...