Talk:Forgotten Empires/@comment-2405:204:5102:4D8D:8511:6892:B728:FECC-20180828230811/@comment-82.102.22.111-20190406231202

Neither of those are things people care that much about at high level of play (which is where balance matters). The combined early wood eco (half cost resource camps) and fishing ship bonuses are seen as the primary selling point of the Japanese. There are many other civs that are chosen over Japanese on land. It's not a tier 1 civ. Strange focus to support your argument.