Talk:Teutonic Knight/@comment-73.48.156.54-20170916031622/@comment-71.10.81.24-20171009115623

TK's are far stronger than halbs per population point. They are effectively two champions for one population, though twice the cost. There is no way a comp with halbs is going to perform better than one with TK's, given the same population numbers.

The entire point is to take advantage of Teuton's paladins (most civs don't get paladins and bloodlines) while denying the option of spamming halbs to counter without gold. You need a ton of halbs to actually counter fully upgraded paladins, which means the majority of your population is spent heavily on trash and there is a limit to the number of units you can make. At max supplies, you cannot have both enough halbs to counter paladins and enough ranged to counter tk/onager.

The only option is to go toe-to-toe with similar gold-cost units, or to kill/injure Teutons early on. They are a late game civ with defensive and booming bonuses to survive until the late game where they shine. The above poster is correct, if the Teuton player reaches this slow crawling nightmare state, it cannot be countered without insane losses. Going up with similar cav, infantry, and siege still means losses (paladins > cavalier, tk > champ, siege onag > onag) and going up against it with trash (halbs) is laughable.