Talk:Italians/@comment-24900905-20150816233103/@comment-24900905-20150817111945

15% discount is not a big deal. You are right, Genoese crossbowman is effective against cavalry, but weak against other archers. Condottiero of course has this resistance but fully upgraded still loses with cataphract, elite jaguar warrior and even champions. This dmg bonus against gunpowder units may be useful, but his gold cost is a bit too high to be effective replacement for champions.

This is only my personal opinion, so I understand if you don't agree with me.