Talk:Italians/@comment-24900905-20150816233103

I hate them so much... very water addicted civilization, They have quite openned tech tree but who cares if your civ is only useful on water maps ? Condottiero is very weak unique unit, his gunpowder units damage bonus is useless, because a lot of civilizations(such as mayans, aztecs, huns or chinese) don't even have any gunpowder units except of cannon galleons. This 10% cheaper ages cost may be useful(for early feaudal age rushes), but it's only 230 food and 100 gold saved. Genoese crossbowman is quite good against cavalry, but they are still far behind longbowmen, or even arbalests. What about unique technologies ? Pavise is useless, but Silk Road is very good tech if player focuses strongly for economy.

Overall, Italians are incredible weak on land maps without water(40% of all maps), but they can be really difficult to defeat on water. Still, I can't see enough advantages to start playing Italians.