Talk:Italians/@comment-106.105.136.18-20160702133451/@comment-26842175-20161123131315

I don´t agree with the first reply in many ways.

In my opinion, I think there is some confusion between the (ancient) Roman empire and the (Holy) Roman Empire.

First there was an ancient Roman empire (The empire of Rome), which fell in the 5th century. Afterwards there was a period of chaos. Much later in the 10th century, the Holy Roman Empire was created (Roman in the sense of Catholic).

Initially northern Italy was part of the Holy Roman Empire. Starting in the 12th century there were some movements by the lombart league for independance. Ultimately these movements lead to the Italian city states being largely independant.