Talk:Mangudai/@comment-27291286-20151207042822/@comment-24.239.107.16-20151230230712

I think you're off the mark personally. Saracens, for example, have Mams which are a whole lot better than Halbs for Mangudai. While Mangudai can certainly outmicro Mams with their range, that's hard to do in certain situations and good Sara players know what they are. For example, if the Saracens are going Mams + Hussars + Trebuchets and the Trebuchets are attacking your buildings, it's too late to play the hit and run tactic as the Trebuchets are doing too much damage. In this case, Mangudai have no choice but to do something about those trebuchet and it's a death trap with Mams around. As long as Mams can get close, they absolutely obliterate Mangudai. In the open field that may very will be hard to do, but when protecting Trebuchets, Champs, Rams, Seige Onagers, or any other seige unit already engaged with a base it's a different story.

The nice thing about Sara is that their Mams are quite good at protecting seige. They often go Seige Onager that late in the game as well which is a hard pairing to stop for any civ albeit expensive, but going trashy with skirms and pikeman in Castle isn't the worst tactic in the world against the Mongols. Sara is a pretty aggressive civ and if they know how to work through feudal (another topic for another time), they can be a tough civ for the Mongols. I could argue with other civs but my post is already pretty lengthy.