Talk:Heavy Cavalry Archer/@comment-24.239.107.16-20160119231024/@comment-66.91.115.214-20170304134111

Yeah, even without Turk CA, what you say is true. Gbeto still hold true. Believe it or not, they beat Longbowman if they are fully upgraded, and they also Briton Crossbowman in the Castle Age (which is weird because in most circumstances, crossbowman are not countered by CA's, but I think it's the result of not having thumbring and being at a long distance). You should have arbs with your CA's though for Halbs. Another one that is surprising is that FU HCA's beat Mangudai and Mongolian CA's. That pierce armor makes a difference apparently. They also work well against most gun powder units like Jannisaries and Hand Cannons.

Having said all that, the problem is, however, that onagers rule the Imperial Age as a counter to archer units. Just about any of the units above mentioned when they are paired with onagers will beat HCA's. Unfortunately, HCA's are simply not great units in this game except in very specialized situations like raiding.