Talk:Paladin/@comment-190.237.183.252-20151112170619/@comment-190.237.183.171-20151113051450

Papermaniac, please learn to read. i didn't say the franks should get bloodlines. I said that after the introduction of bloodlines to some civilizations in The Conquerors expansion, the franks got their knights comparatively weaker than they were in AOK. Not only that, but their scouts also are much weaker then even civs who aren't focused on cavalry like the goths, chinese or japanese (in the forgotten).

With +25%HP, the frankish knights would get 200HP instead of 192, this would give them an advantage of +20hp instead of just 12hp over bloodline paladins from the huns, persians, spanish, magyars and teutons, and +40hp over paladins who don't get bloodlines. Considering how much you have to pay to get paladins and that they are the only true advantage the franks have over other civs, I think this is fair.

Before the Conquerors, frankish paladins had 72HP more than regular knights and heavy camels and 32HP over regular paladins. Now they only have 52HP more than most heavy camels and just 12HP more than most paladins. Considering that many civs that get camels also get some kind of buff for them, this makes using the franks against these civs, unviable.

Lord Viper, I agree. Due to all of the points you have made, the franks are one of the weakest civs of AOE II, instead of one of the strongest as they should be. Charlemagne anyone? I don't even know why the devs bothered in giving them heavy cavalry archers as they are utterly useless whitout ring armor, bracer, bloodlines or a any particular strength. About bombard cannons, yes they are a nice addition to the franks, but many civs that also have camels have them, and many have both buffed bombard cannons AND camels (Turks, Indians). Again, the franks are rendered useless against them.