Talk:Vietnamese/@comment-14.186.83.63-20200124101000

Why this CIV sucks:

-They don't have early eco bonus so they cannot rush or put early pressure (especially terrible against Goths).

-Their unique units are not so speacial:

+Imperial skimisher is a nice unit, but overall not so special, except in team game.

+Rattan archers:  a good raiding unit duel to good surviability, However, unless you are a really good player, it's tough to play offensive as Vietnamese because your economy usually sucks (no eco bonus and they can't even mine gold properly). For fire support role,which piece armor is almost useless, they are not better than normal archers, lost to Chu Ko Nu (massive fire power) and Long bow (sniping valuable targets, such as ornager at long range).

-Their unique technologies and civilization bonuses are quite useless:

+Seriously, why the hell do we need 'reveal enemy positions at game start' when we can't rush because we are poor as f*ck (no early eco bonus).

+A little bit more HP for Archers seems to be cool, but is actually not so valuable because again, Vietnamese is poor as f*ck and it's hard to play offensive.

+Battle Elephants with extra 50HP as meatsheilds for rattans ->this is a ... not so good idea. Actually cavalry unit as a meatshield is never a good idea because the can easily be wiped out by halberdier/pike. Considering the case of mongolian hussars, they are cheap at dirt and they are fast so they usually run around which confuse/delay enemies' melee units that create a  much more effective meatshield (they don't scare monks too). Now look at the Vietnamese Elephant,they are quite tanky, but slow, vulnerable to monks are not cheap, and those rattan firepower are not very impressive either. They are still ok to be used but not so effective in my opinion, especially against Goths.

+Paper money: almost useless in 1v1 and not so useful in team fight, because we have trade.

Conclusion: This civ is not good against any other civs, and sucks at fighting some civ like Goths... Playing as Vietnamese is so frustrating because you usually struggle at early/mid, but at late game your army has nothing speacial (look at Goths, Aztecs, Teutons... damn). I know it's hard to buff them because It can make them OP, but if the devs keep doing nothing, they better disable/remove it, because it's the worst in my opinion.