Talk:Vietnamese/@comment-42.117.121.148-20200208093635

Vietnamese Civ is really suck and not fit with historical reality. I'm a Vietnamese and i have some ideals about buff for Vietnames Civ

For Civ bonus

- Enemy bases are revealed. Good but not really useful. May be allies also see that

- Archery units + 20%HP. Sound good but not really when archery units already are fragile.

Vietnamese is famous for guerilla warfare. It mean we move fast and hit hard to make sure enemies killed and can counter. So move faster and + 1-2 attack is not bad

-Conscription free. Totally terrible. It is a cheap tech and im sure everyone get at least a castle to research it. Evey time we face an invasion, every vietnamese fight even woman or young kid

So increasing the effect from 33% to 40% or even 50% is good ideal

- Addition ideals i think it may fit

+ Irrigation and levee system: Farm more food and lower cost

+ Experienced farmer or Buffalo plow: Farmer work faster

+ Children of Dragon and Fairy: Free heresy

+ Sát Thác (Words which Vietnamese Soldier tatoo on their arm when they fighted Mogol invasion): Melee unit remain 1HP when got fatal hit

+ Peasant resitance: Villagers attacked fight back. +2 Attack and extra LoS

For economy

- Vietnamese has long time tradition in Farming and fishing ( both at river and sea ) with a lot of handful tools. Vietnam,now, is one of the most huge exporting rice, fruits and other agricultural products in the worlds. Especially rice

- We have a very complex irrigation system for farming and good levee systems to prevent floods and storms in Red river celta which are still exist  today

- We also good at hunting, gatherer and stonecutting, mining

So i think Vietnamese Civ deserve economy bonus

For Blacksmith

- We dont have Chainmail or Plate Mail. Lether or scale is common. Also Heavy scale and clothe armour with Bronze layer inside also common for Officers and Generals. Some amours actually are closed to plate armour ( google “Khải Giáp” for detail )

- Lack of Blast furnace is something really wrong. Vietnamese has made iron and steel long time before 1000 years Chinese domination. And continue learning from the Chinese. Our weapons are really good and can compare to other countries. We also used Iron pike on river to defeate Chineses Han dynasty, Mongol,... So we should have Blast Furnace

For University

- We should have Masonary and Architecture for good sake. Imperial citadel of Thăng Long ( Hoàng thành Thăng Long), Citadel Hồ Dynasty  ( Thành nhà Hồ), Imperial citadel of Huế,.. are good evidences about Vietnamese skills at those techs. Also a fact that Forbiden city in Beijing is designed by a Vietnamese Architect

For Monk

- Redemption should be avaible. We still have a lot of Champa building in South Region where Champa dynasty existed and also Chinese building and Forts after we gained our Independence

- Our Monks are wise and respectful. They are good at many fields and usually appointed by Emperors as Their advisors. So increasing monk power is quite good like more range or faster healing rate

For Unique tech

- Chatras is trash. +50HP seem to be good but it isn’t. Against building and archer may be, but everyone always can use low cost pikemen/Halber to counter, and 50Hp just about 1 hit from 2-3 pikemen or halber. According to history, Vietnamese used Battle Elephant from ,at least, 40 AD. And They eat almost straw and woods

So i suggest for Cost reduce on food and time creat reduce. Or better, Battle elephant will not cost gold anymore, instead of that, Woods. Although it may take a lot of wood to creat

- Paper money: not really good overall. Historically, it is not really unique to Vietnameses Civ at all. An economic tech for farming or generating gold seem better. For example, Lê Dynasty had to pay Ming a golden statue of Lieu Thang ( a Ming general who kill by Dai Viet Army ) once few years. So Viet civ can research it and allies get 200 gold/ally, and Vietnamese get auto gold generating like they have a relic.

Some ideals for Unique tech

Binh thư yếu lược ( a series of book about art of war written by Hưng Đạo Đại Vương Trần Quốc Tuấn):  It includes  4 book about : Recruiment and leadership, Army and tatics, Battle and terrains, siege/protect Fort, Dipolmacy and aftermath. So a wide range of choices but i prefer about army bonus or defensive bonus

Vạn Kiếp binh thư ( another book of Trần Quốc Tuấn about formation and tatic ): Increase unit movement and HP

Empty country ( a strategy is used in Mogol invasions ): All Resources are slow generated even villagers garrison in building when bell rang

Imperial citadel: Castle +HP and armour against siege attack ( inspire of Citadel of Hồ Dynasty story )

Hội An trading center: Increse speed of trade cog and value of sea trading