Talk:Skirmisher (Age of Empires II)/@comment-24444169-20180206093142/@comment-27274076-20180206171957

I do not want to discourage constructive discussion, I'm glad you stand up for your point of view. And I think you are right, some pages do say 'massed [unit]' in the table (although I cannot list an example right off the bat).

I'm just not really comfortable adding the Skirms here, and I try to explain why:

Some units beat others 1v1, but lose in a matchup in higher numbers. Crossbowmen and Long Swordsmen are an example. In a 1v1 situation, the Long Swordsman kills the Crossbowman rather comfortably (Squires required). Now take 30 of both units, and the Crossbowmen come out winning. In a situation like this I think it is appropriate to say massed archers are strong against infantry.

The situation with Skirms and Mams is different in my opinion, because in order to win a battle, you need a significantly higher amount of Skirms than the opposition has Mams, no matter how high the numbers eventually get (they always need to be outnumbered in a rather significant manner). They are cost effective, no doubt, but are they really strong?

At least, this is how I understand this particular notion in these tables. What do you think?