User talk:Narve


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AoE3 Trouble
Hi Narve, I think I should ask you a question: I'm an Age of Empires 3 fans, I don't buy it on Stream and instead buying a CD to install it. It's really a full version game not the trial version but I have some trouble I really can't understand:



This is the first cutscene of Nathaniel campaign, Nathaniel lead a group of militia (this video is from Youtube). As you can see they use clothes like a Redcoat but in my game, those Militia used a Veteran Musketeer skin instead (it also happened in Scenario Editor). I don't know whyNguyenAnhLam (talk)


 * As long as it still works the same, I don't see why this is a problem.Narve (talk) 17:53, September 17, 2017 (UTC)

Wikibreak
Hi Narve, sorry about your oncoming operation. Hope everything is alright & nothing is too serious. I hope you get better soon. Feel free to take a longer break if you need to.


 * Thanks. Surgery went well. Just a small wrist operation, but I can't type with my left hand for the next week or two. I'll probably hang around, but don't expect any large edits.Narve (talk) 09:34, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

I am freeee, 10,000 years in prison! Yes!....24.13.160.179 20:01, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

Fanon Pages
I was looking at an archived talk page the other day, and I saw someone ask about fanon pages. It seems that he attempted to make an Age of Empires Fanon Wiki, but it was rejected. I wanted to know if maybe instead of just making fanon pages on blogs, we could make them actual articles, but with a template telling people it's fanon. Could that work? Would you be fine with that?

Thanks,

UnofficialGameExpert78 (talk) 22:26, October 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * No, I would not be OK with that. This wiki is for official content, and we don't want to mix fanon units with real ones.Narve (talk) 05:50, October 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * Somehow I thought you wouldn't be. Thanks anyway. UnofficialGameExpert78 (talk) 12:45, October 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * @UnofficialGameExpert78 & @Narve: Actually, there is a simple way to do it without mixing or screwing up official content from user or fan made material. The solution is simple: use an article title structure in the form of Fanon:Scenario/Name of user created scenario for articles that focus on user generated scenarios. A similar thing can be done for mods where all user created articles would be titled under Fanon:Mod/Name of user created mod. Many wikis in Wikia already have used a similar format, for example the Spore Wiki and Avatar Wiki which are both well known for fanmade material. What this article format does is essentially brings 2 wikis into one single, unified wiki. A separate portal or main page can be created to support the entire system. That way, creating a separate wiki for fanmade material wouldn't be necessary.

All of this can be easily done since this wiki is not affiliated with Microsoft or any other corporation & is largely owned by the editors & contributors around here. As a result, we could theoretically do whatever we want with this place, so long it is within our rules.

The Age of Empires series have a phenomenal fan base largely due to the ability to generate your own content using the Scenario Editor which is arguably, my favorite thing about the game. It is for this very reason why I joined this wiki in the first place. If there is a number 1 rule for this place, it would be to have fun editing the wiki which is what this new project will be about. Such creativity shouldn't be shunned or discouraged, since I actually have thoughts about doing it on a blog several years ago as an admin, but couldn't find a way to do it.

However, the only thing that would prevent us from doing so would be opposition from other editors who believe that this wiki should only be about about official information published by Microsoft or any other foreign entity. In that case, a poll can be created & placed on to the Main Page so that others can vote or provide feedback about this possibility for a new project.


 * That sounds like a great idea, X~Calibur95. I feel like there are some people who would believe it is Heresy to have fanon pages on an official wiki, as evidenced by Narve's response. A poll is a great idea.
 * UnofficialGameExpert78 (talk) 11:40, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Question about Black Riders
hey! i have a question :P

can spawn black riders somehow in TAD while im playing as french? if no, which country can spawn them in saloons?


 * All the European civilizations can train Black Riders from the Saloon, but it's random which mercenaries are available (except the Outlaw-type ones), so they won't appear in every game.Narve (talk) 19:41, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Who you are
Is your real name Orjan Larsen and is your nickname the Viper? Also is this url of your twitter account? https://twitter.com/TheViperAOC 73.74.141.157 21:40, November 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * No, that's not me.Narve (talk) 07:38, November 19, 2017 (UTC)

Editing Blog Title
Hello! Is there any way for me to edit the title of one of my blog posts? Thanks. UnofficialGameExpert78 23:07, November 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * If you click the arrow next to the edit button, there should be an option to rename the page.Narve (talk) 19:55, November 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't see it. UnofficialGameExpert78 19:58, November 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * It's possible that only admins can move blog posts. Which post do you want moved, and to what?Narve (talk) 20:02, November 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * I have a blog post at Apache. I would like its name to be changed to Apache (Age of Empires II), since the Apache exist in Age of Empires III. One more thing --- how do I revert my signature to the default signature? I have to manually add the link to my user page. UnofficialGameExpert78 20:04, November 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * I've moved the page now. You change your signature in "Preferences" (see this page for more info.Narve (talk) 20:10, November 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * All right, let's see if this works... UnofficialGameExpert78 (talk) 20:19, November 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Success!

Retirement
Hi Narve, I decided to quit so I would like you to either delete or remove this page. Thanks.


 * I'm very sorry to hear that, and I want you to know that you're welcome to return if you ever change your mind. I've deleted the page now.Narve (talk) 09:04, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Tribute Blog
Hello Narve,

I wrote a tribute to X~Calibur95 and I'd like it to be featured on the main page, since he was a big part of this wiki.

Thanks, UnofficialGameExpert78 (talk) 20:05, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Never mind, I think I figured it out. UnofficialGameExpert78 (talk) 20:07, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

I guess I didn't figure it out. Ignore my previous post. UnofficialGameExpert78 (talk) 20:10, December 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * It should be visible now.Narve (talk) 10:45, December 10, 2017 (UTC)

Question
Do you know who I am? RadheMohan69 (talk) 20:04, December 12, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, I do.Narve (talk) 15:00, December 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * Are you Balochistan? Just wondering. UnofficialGameExpert78 (talk) 22:58, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Cinematic pages
Hello, do you think it is appropriate to create pages for the cinematics of all campaign and scenarios of Age of Empires III? I  won't be able to make all of them from Warchiefs to Asian Dynasties, but I can try to.RadheMohan69 (talk) 21:02, December 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a question that you should find community consensus for - create a blog post or a forum thread or something, and seek input. I don't want to decide that on my own.Narve (talk) 08:43, December 17, 2017 (UTC)

Cleanup on Asian Dynasties campaign pages
Hello Narve,

I assume you are Christain so you are celebrating Christmas today, I just wanted to wish you happy holidays and had two questions. What do you think of the scenario pages of Act II: China and how come you always clean them up, is there something I do consistingly that requires cleanup with the pages, I always see you editing my links and the tempelate. What exactly are you cleaning up? RadheMohan69 (talk) 01:30, December 26, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I haven't thanked you for the hard work you've done on the AoEIII scenario pages. I really am grateful for the effort you've shown.
 * There are a few things I clear up on your pages: The infobox is compressed, making it hard to read and edit in the editor window. The image shows you what I mean. I assume you're using either the Visual Editor or the rich-text editor? I use the source editor, which gives you a lot more control over the page. You can change that in the Preferences, if you want.
 * Another thing I change is shortening links - if the page says Forest Prowlers, I shorten it to Forest Prowlers . That's a wiki standard that doesn't affect the page, but makes it easier to read when editing.
 * A third thing is the language. I know English isn't your first language (nor is it mine), and you make a few mistakes when you create pages. That's why I edit - to improve readability and help our readers.
 * I hope that explains it.Narve (talk) 09:40, December 26, 2017 (UTC)

AoE 3
Hello Narve, may I add some information for some AoE's pages? I can't play AoE3 anymore because my PC was down but I still remember my good time with this game, I still wanna distribution everything I know for it but I worry about being "criticized" as my English is not good enough and I think some users also feel "unwelcome" with me. Can I do it?

P/s: thank you for being one of the few users didn't "unwelcome" with my bad English NguyenAnhLam (talk) 12:06, January 3, 2018 (UTC)


 * You don't need anyone's permission to edit, so go ahead. If your English isn't good enough, we'll just rewrite it slightly to improve it (that happens to me sometimes - collaboration and improvements are what wikis are about). As long as you add some valuable text that improves the page, it's OK that the grammar and such isn't perfect.Narve (talk) 19:11, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

Spam Bot
There was a spam bot/internet equivilants of a telemarketer on the Napoleonic Era mod talk page, advertising one of those fishy websites.

User:105.105.155.123

Proof: [//ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/105.105.155.123 http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/105.105.155.123]

One for the ban-hammer.

Morayus1/XLightningStormL/Steelion69 (talk) 06:04, January 21, 2018 (UTC)


 * I've blocked, but there's usually no reason to do anything about those (apart from deleting the spam edit of course). They edit the wiki once, and then never use that IP ever again, so blocking is a waste of time.Narve (talk) 08:59, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

HP redirect
Hey Narve, I noticed that you previously deleted a redirect page HP for Hit points. While I'm against using abbreviations and community slang, I think it might be useful in the (admittedly unlikely) scenario that someone unfamiliar with the term might search for it or as quick link when cited directly from official scources (such as patch notes) Blappp (talk) 13:11, February 20, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that was years ago, and I can't remember why I deleted it now. I've restored the redirect.Narve (talk) 06:37, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Look Narve, change the stronghold page back, I know what I'm talking about and I've done the maths correctly. I understand that a 20% reduced attack time would be a 25% attack speed increase (1/0.8=1.25), but it is not a 20% reduced attack time. It is a 16.66666% reduced attack time, 1/0.833333=1.2, this tooltip, unlike all of the others, is correct so just deal with it.

Test: Celtic Castle fully upgraded post imperial vs Frank post imperial castle, all the same bonuses except the racial "20%". Time to kill a 3rd civ building (I think I used a barracks, whatever it was the same for both): Celt: 2m24s, Frank: 2m52s = 144s vs 172s.

144/172 = 0.8333 = 6 attacks for every 5. You tell me how you can interpret that as a 25% attack speed increase.

You know what, go ahead and leave it incorrect, I don't care anymore, stuff your site.


 * I asked you all to discuss it in the comments or the forum, instead of edit warring. That's why I protected the page - I don't care one way or the other.Narve (talk) 04:25, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

You're testing with a castle, right? I assume the problem is something to do with how the castle fires multiple arrows.

In the game files, the bonus is a 20% reduced attack reload time. So it should be a 25% faster attack speed. And it should work this way with a tower. Try it with towers and see if it gives similar results. Tocaraca (talk) 14:09, March 2, 2018 (UTC)


 * I have asked you all to have this discussion "in the comments or the forum". Please note that my talk page is neither of those places.Narve (talk) 14:18, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

Forum Migration to Discussions
Hey there Narve, my name is Doug from FANDOM's Community Development Team. With Age of Empires: Definitive Edition released recently, I wanted to stop in and gauge you and the community's interest in migrating the forums to our new Discussions module.

Discussions support desktop and mobile posts, feature an upvote system, and support multiple boards of different topics. They are also tied into our Community Apps, which can help bring in more community engagement and potential wiki editors. Here is an example of the DC Wiki's Discussions.

I can handle all enabling on my end with no additional work on yours. Let me know if this is something that sounds beneficial to you and the community. Let me know if you have any questions, thank you! TheBlueRogue •(profile)•(talk)•(doug@fandom.com)


 * I'll start a discussion about it later and get some community input.Narve (talk) 20:50, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

Age of Empires old scenario campaigns
For scenarios that have been  very reworked I have been creating new pages, but we should create new ones for the scenarios that have had small and no changes at all? I think that all the scenarios have their history rewrote, new names for enemies, new maps for instructions, and so...

I really don't have the game, I'm doing the work with Youtube videos, so sorry if I left something half done because the streamer didn't show all the history or the hints...

Cheers Av93 (talk) 21:11, March 9, 2018 (UTC)


 * Scenarios with small or no changes should not get new pages, no. We can just add a changelog to the page explaining what is different.Narve (talk) 04:59, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

Udapted scenarios
I propose this mockup for the udapted scenarios that hadn't have a rework or aren't new: see Caesr's Revenge with the "Original mission" header

Av93 (talk) 21:11, March 9, 2018 (UTC)


 * That's good, but I've made some changes. People looking for the scenario description should find it under "Scenario description", not "changes" (also, Voices of Babylon is from the original game, not The Rise of Rome). But good work!Narve (talk) 09:33, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you're right about Voices, I did a copy paste, and didn't thought about it.

BTW, would be nice to use swapping for the infobox of scenarios, but also scenario instructions and historical outcome, it would look cleaner. Is something possible like Condottiero icon swapping? Av93 (talk) 14:04, March 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * I see you've figured out how to use the "tabber" function. It looks much better now!Narve (talk) 20:20, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

Capitalization
Why would you capitalize an object, etc? It's done so in the title. It's wrong to type, "I have a Pen and Paper". If it was discussing a named ship it would be appropriate. I was correcting my own edits from years ago. TheRealMictlantecuhtli (talk) 00:04, March 14, 2018 (UTC)


 * According to the Manual of Style, "All characters, units, buildings, and technologies are considered proper nouns and are always capitalized, even if they describe a generic object."Narve (talk) 08:18, March 14, 2018 (UTC)

Tabber in Infobox
Looking into Condottiero infobox, I see that "tabber" function works in individual content, but I can't manage to make a tabber of all infobox table. I think that I would be cool and clean to put tabber in all mission, units and civilization infobox for a fast and well organized information between Definitive Edition and Original, but I can't make it work.

Av93 (talk) 15:03, March 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * It's not hard to put a tabber around a whole page - you create the tabber, place one version of the page in one tab, and the other version in the other. Is there a page where you've tried to do this?Narve (talk) 17:53, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not referring to a page, but to a infobox. If you look into the Babylon campaign, you will see that I have succed with it, but I can't make it with the infobox. I don't want to make a tabber row by row. Av93 (talk) 13:03, March 17, 2018 (UTC)


 * You need to include the start of the infobox in the tabber section - the  {{units Infobox (Age of Empires)  bit.

Can't achieve it. Could you send me a template for the Short Swordman? (or do it in the wikia, I would udapte it then myself later on.

Av93 (talk) 14:15, March 19, 2018 (UTC)


 * I've created tabbers for the page now.Narve (talk) 19:28, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

Image formats
Hello, since you're an admin on the wiki I figured you're the right person to ask; what's exactly the recommended image format for uploaded images on the wiki? I mostly upload PNG as it's the regular format after saving them from image editing software but I've noticed most of the files on the wiki are in JPG or JPEG format. Is there a recommended image format and does it make any difference? Thank you very much. Jadd.H~ 13:21, June 14, 2018 (UTC)


 * We try to use the .png format, though there are a lot of old .jpeg images on the site. But yes, .png is the recommended image format.
 * Also: when you add categories to a page, please check that the page isn't already placed in a subcategory of that category. For example, all mechanical artillery are siege equipment, so the latter category is redundant on the Stone Thrower page.Narve (talk) 17:40, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

Good luck
I saw that you are having wrist surgery. I hope everything goes well. Good luck at the surgery!

UnofficialGameExpert78 (talk) 21:05, August 13, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you!Narve (talk) 19:34, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

Age of Empires II Civilization images
Hi Narve,

I came here to discuss about the images of the civilizations in Age of Empires II (including the forgotten empires expansion). For Age of Empires III every playable civilization has a flag, which I placed new128 by 96 px flags for consistency unlike before. For cultures in Age of Mythology, each civilization including Atlanteans and Greeks have 256 by 256 px.

However when it comes to Age of Empires II, the civilizations don't have a consistent in game image, instead they are placed with the following photo types Besides the demo I haven't fully played Age of Empires II and thus don't know the mechanics of the game too well, my question is there images unique to each civilization that cut be placed to represent them in AOE II. If there isn't I propose either we put the civilization's Wonder or some other image consensual to the community. 03:08, August 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * Artists renditions and illustrations such as the  image for the Aztecs over here.
 * Monuments or paintings of a notable leader or person from the civilization such as here
 * A real life photo of the civilization's Wonder such this and this
 * The flag of the civilization during its time such as this


 * If you click on the in-game history section, there's a short description of each civilization, along with an image. I see you've uploaded images of the Berber history section, so I assume you've found it? One option is to use that image - or the Wonders, like you suggested.
 * But this isn't a discussion to be had on one user's talk page. I suggest you start a blog post or a forum thread and ask the community.Narve (talk) 07:56, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

Pet Pages in AOE III

 * Hi just to clarify, the reason I brought the previous discussion regarding AOE II Civilization images to your talk page in the first place was in part that my previous blog post of Merging pet pages with their animals had been ignored and no one took time to answer, thus I didn't want to create a blog post regarding this current phenomenon unanswered and blank without having some community knowledge e.g you.
 * Just wondering, what is your standpoint upon this subject, should pages of pets in Age of Empires III like Honcho or Gentle Pete the Pet Bear or even pets from The Asian Dynasties be merged with their corresponding animal? Because if the community disagrees with the merging, then a page for Buttercup the pet Cougar will need to be created. Thanks Narve, and hope to hear back soon from you. Good luck with the post surgery wrist and I would be interested if you answer either here or on the blog discussion whenever you feel prepared.
 * 19:50, August 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * 19:50, August 17, 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't really have a strong opinion on the pet issue, but I don't see why not. I'd like it if more people weighed in, but if not, you can just go ahead and do it.
 * And my wrist is fine, thank you.Narve (talk) 14:02, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Edit reversal
Hi Narve,

regarding your reversal  of my edit of the "Siege in Caanan" scenario I disagree with your justification:

1. In my attempt to improve articles on AoE1 missions, I refer the player name to the "Tribe Name" (see the corresponding variable in the Player section of the scenario editor) which is unique to each scenario, not to the player profile name. If there is no tribe name I keep  "Player". That is my approach throughout all the articles I already overhauled (for example see here I use "Hatti" since it is the tribe name in the whole campaign.)

2. In each player section of a article on a mission the human player is listed right on top an with its own subheading so there is no chance to confuse a average reader if tribe names are used.

3. It is trivial and known to all AoE players that one can choose its own player name. Therefore tribe names provide more information on the scenarios than always stating "Player".

Therefore, I appeal to you to overthink your reversal.

GenColossus (talk) 11:59, October 10, 2018 (UTC)


 * We've used the term "player" in that section ever since the player section was implemented a couple of years ago (or at least, since the player was added to the "Players" section). We use the same standard for all the games in the series. If you want it changed, you're going to have to start a discussion (in the forums or a blog post) and gain consensus for your suggestion.Narve (talk) 19:48, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Aoe3 TAD Chinese Home City Cards
Hope you help me to make icons and the rest of the tech tree pages Unholy Black Angel (talk) 19:26, December 5, 2018 (UTC)


 * I might, but right now I don't know.Narve (talk) 09:49, December 7, 2018 (UTC)

Changing images layout
Hi Narve,

Came by for a quick stop just to check up on my edits. I'm sure you seen I edited multiple animal and wildlife pages for AOM and Age of Empires II, and I was wondering. Do all articles need a gallery, I have been mainly editing Age of Empires III articles where galleries are the norm, but I see many of the articles of animals in AOM or AOE I and II are small in terms of text and have one image usually clipped to the side. Do you think they purpousley weren't given a seperate gallery header because of their article length? Please let me know, I don't want to mess up a consistent order. Consistency is important to me. 03:46, December 9, 2018 (UTC)


 * I think it's good you're adding a gallery section. It wasn't as common to do it when the pages were created, but it's more common now, and it looks better.Narve (talk) 16:33, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

Question Regarding Header Capitalization
Hello Narve,

Thank you for cleaning up and editing the spacing after one of my recent edits, I enjoy the work that you and your bot do.

I also saw that the headers for the sections (such as Compared advantages and disadvantages) had been made lowercase. Should they not be capitalized, if they are headers?

Best wishes,

HumorousRobot (talk) 03:51, December 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * No, according to the Manual of Style, "The initial letter of a title is capitalized; otherwise, capital letters are used only where they would be used in a normal sentence, e.g. Further statistics, not Further Statistics."Narve (talk) 10:25, December 27, 2018 (UTC)

New idea for the wiki: pages about official tournaments, and proffesional players and teams.
Hello Narve the other day  after watching the famous player TheViper playing in the tournament at twitch i was thinking about including information of the most important official and sponsored tournaments for the games, and also talking about  celebrities like TheViper, Tatoh  and Daut. What do you think about that?

Papermaniac (talk) 01:08, January 30, 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know. Maybe creating pages for official tournaments makes sense, but how would you decide which fans deserve a page? That sounds like an arbitrary decision to make.


 * In either case, that sounds like something that should be discussed in a blog post or on the forum, not on my talk page.Narve (talk) 17:37, January 30, 2019 (UTC)

Age of Empires III technology pages
I remember reading a blog post made by you earlier, in which you asked whether or not individual Home City Card pages should be made, such as Pioneers or Stone Masons. The verdict being not to create them. Does the same apply to technologies in Age of Empires III, for example. Some technologies of certain buildings have articles.

All technologies for improvements in the Arsenal don't have articles but they have red links on them. I'm pretty sure had consesus NOT to create them for as they provide little to no information as the Arsenal page already describes them.

For example, entire articles dedicated to technologies for improvements in the Monastery page has been created by Nikita Zero. Like Terror Charge or Crushing Force  avalaible to the Indians for the Brahmin. The same applies to technologies in the Rice Paddy and Farm and Mill. I think a blog post be created on this but before I do, what is your take on it. I created an article for the church technology Mass Cavalry, but the other technolgies like Standing Army have redirects and the unique European technolgies like Coffee Trade and Stadhouders don't. Do you think its ok for me to go ahead and make articles for them, or a blog post created. 20:51, January 30, 2019 (UTC)


 * I generally think that the best thing to do in situations like this is to create a blog post and see what the community thinks. But yeah, that may be a good idea.Narve (talk) 08:29, February 1, 2019 (UTC)

My game AoE3
Hi bro (as you're older than me, I'm 18 only), seems like you're the suitable person I should ask about this game. It was not until you mentioned that I knew Fishing Ships can be used to transport units (because in my game, those ships can't be used as a transport ship, actually). Also, I got lots weird things such as ranged cavalry units can't use melee attack, no special mode for units, the Militia use Veteran Musketeer's skin instead of having their own one and my game will be "super lag" if there is a fight between ships (but if the boats use cannon balls only, Native Boats use arrow or guns won't make the game lag, (https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:NguyenAnhLam/Lots_weird_things_in_my_AoE3_game please check my blog for more information). I swear all of those things are true, I don't lie anything but I can't take any screenshoot because I lost my game (my PC broken down and I was using Windows XP, I have a CD to install the game). Some guys told me to Update the game but strange enough, it always crashed everytime I tried to Update I really don't know what happened, can you help me? (sorry, my bad grammar) NguyenAnhLam (talk) 11:08, February 2, 2019 (UTC)


 * First of all, your Transport Ships CAN be used to transport units - just use the garrison button. Secondly, the reason for the lag (and presumably the reason for the computer crashing when you try to update) is that your computer is too old - Age of Empires III can be a demanding game, so if you want the game to work properly, you need to buy a better computer. The missing buttons may be due to your settings - I'll see what I can find.Narve (talk) 11:42, February 2, 2019 (UTC)