Talk:Italians/Strategy/@comment-89.166.108.2-20150201164628/@comment-26842175-20180213103405

" Italians do get fully upgraded Champions, however, they have no civilization bonuses, making them significantly weaker than others."

That is indeed non-sense, so I revised it, two years after your comment. I think that the weakest champions are those that lack the last armor upgrade (Magyars), since that allows ranged units to wreck them, while they have trouble with cavalry anyway. I would say the VIkings might be the strongest. While they lose in 1vs. 1 against Japanes/Aztec champions, the extra HP is usefull against ranged units. So I think Viking champions might even have a claim to be the best without chieftains.