Talk:Siege Onager/@comment-27202541-20170214132103/@comment-31256631-20170214214313

except Bombard Cannons greatly outrage siege onagers (base range 12 vs 8) and they have the same speed, which mean in the hands of any competent player who is paying attention, the siege onagers will never get into range.

Here's the perfect example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9yF7sAsSpk (TheViper with bombards vs Daut with onagers)

Sure, non-portuguese bombards don't benefit from Ballistics. But if your siege onager shoot even once after the bombards fire, its slow speed means it won't be able to dodge in time due to BBC's fast projectile travel time.