Talk:Teutonic Knight/@comment-73.147.29.116-20170205050122/@comment-31256631-20170214034549

Teutons have one of the best siege lines (missing only siege ram) and more than capable of fight onager vs onager battles against most civs. So no, onagers is not an effective counter to their rams because any onagers shooting at rams will get flattened by the other side's onagers. And as noted, they get bombard cannons.

Chu-ko-nus are not actually effective against Teutonic Rams due to the Ironclad unique tech (bringing rams' -3 melee armor to +1). Furthermore they're hard countered by onagers.

Mangudai do still pose a threat (assuming they dodge the onagers). But that's just ONE civ.